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Poster: AshesRising Date: Sep 27, 2007 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: "grace"' in Hunter tunes

Hello: I posted the following elsewhere and received a positive response from a couple of people I respect.

Hunter uses the word/term "grace" in 16 of his lyrics (at least). They are listed below in alpahabetical order except for: 1.) first two are from "Amagamalin Street." I didn't want to separate them for something as arbitrary as "alphabetical order," and 2.) The last excerpt's placement speaks for itself.

--- AshesRising

"Roseanne"
One thing I noticed today
people believe what you say
You read souls, what people feel
You know, we could make a steal
You got a natural grace -
a Gyspsy face
be a shame to waste

"13 Roses"
He talked about your easy grace
your slender hands, your Gypsy face
The last word he spoke
I heard it clear
it was your name

"Althea"
You may be Saturday's child all grown
Moving with a pinch of grace
You may be a clown in the burying ground
Or just another pretty face

"Book of Daniel"
In wickedness of pride is lost the light to understand
How little grace is earned and how much given

"The Boxes of Dr. Spasmodious"
Welcome my child to life again,
to the kingdom of hope and pain.
Ring in the New, Two Thousand and Five
May grace prevail and we survive!"

"Golden Stairs"
Easy with that road map
You're flapping in my face
You're a rock-and-roll singer
Not a minister of grace

"I Heard You Singing"
I Heard You Singing....
Were you singing a fine old tune like Gone to Glory?
Laying it down with grace and power
Long about the midnight hour

"Lay Of The Sunflower (Forest Of Fennario)"
Angels sing their souls to sleep
Four winds grace their breath to keep
Up above yon garden wall
Stands the sunflower, straight and tall

"Leaving Terrapin"
As we lose our faith and trust,
guide us, though insane,
through cataracts of wailing souls
in search of grace and fame

"Let Me Sing Your Blues Away"
Give me a little of that old time love
'Cause I ain't never had near enough
Honey, walk that walk
With style and grace
This ain't no knock-down, drag-out race

"One Dog Blues"
Crossroads of Cherry, Cherry Pie and the Pit
Trying to make a living, by the exercise of grace and wit
Strumming thumb piano in the key of E-flat
While a west wind whistles right through my snap brim hat

"Touch Of Grey"
It's a lesson to me
The Ables and the Bakers and the C's
The A B C's
We all must face
And try to keep a little grace

"The Wheel"
Small wheel turning by the fire and rod
Big wheel turning by the grace of God
Every time that wheel turn round
Bound to cover just a little more ground

"Willy Morris"
When I call the power down
short men stand up taller
the lame and halt kick up their heels,
the dumb begin to holler
Upon the stage I strut my stuff
with sanctifying grace
Righteousness within my soul
and rapture on my face

"Woman In White"
"I wonder if the things of life
Seem just as strange to dream
Where what you cannot face awake
Seems such a natural thing"
You poured a cup of moonbeam
And assumed a thoughtful face
Just such a look as angels have
Before they fall from grace

"Elegy for Jerry Garcia"
Without your melody and taste
to lend an attitude of grace
a lyric is an orphan thing,
a hive with neither honey's taste
nor power to truly sting.

[all excerpts by Robert Hunter,@1968-2007]


This post was modified by AshesRising on 2007-09-27 15:45:57

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Sep 27, 2007 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'grace'' in Hunter tunes

Grace seems to have a bit of a chamelion like definition, but has great use in situations where a notion of a religious context needs to be brought forward. It's a word that has great charismatic appeal and because of it's multi-dimensional meanings that can be very ambiguous in it's application.

One of the biggest contrary uses of the word is the juxtaposition drawn from the definition as "luck" versus divine intervention as in the grace of god. "Ain't that heaven sent?" in Jack straw is illustrative, where grace and luck are interpreted in a righteous way, despite the evil circustance.

Grace also calls out an undeserved charm, as in someone being "graced" with good fortune or superior skills. Meaning in essence that they made no direct effort in being tha way, but were blessed to posess those qualities. I would think something like "graced with a steady hand" as it applied to a gun slinger as an application Hunter would employ.

As usual, Hunter's writings always appear to be just ambiguous enough to warrant further investigation, and one never seems to arrive at a concrete and or linear understanding of the overall song. Just a vibe.



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Poster: AshesRising Date: Sep 27, 2007 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'grace'' in Hunter tunes

Earl:
That's a rather intriguing opionion of the word. I think it achieves a "religious" dimension only from the lights of the reader's mind and is not inherent in its own graceful state. ("Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own.") Naturally language is one of the most cumbersome man-made tools causing, as a result, lots of ambiguity (kinda like a "Feedback" jam from the old days). Unfortunately even the word, "grace," has not been able to escape the fingerprints of man.

"Grace" for me transcends time and space ..and labels that tie it to anything human such as "luck." "Love," on the other hand, is very much a human experience and word, especially with its opposite, "hate," to act as its foil both in experience and as a word.

"There comes a redeemer and he slowly, too, fades away" once again, in my limited world, is and example of being human in time-and-space -- hence, not a state of grace. I've always been intrigued by the lyrics to "Eyes of the World." (just accidently wrote that as "Word," not "World".....)

Anyway, in "Eyes" I see both "grace" and "love" (being here in time-and-space).. The chorus is fascinating for me due to one seemingly simple word, "But."

"Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world
But the heart has its beaches, its homeland and thoughts of its own
Wake now discover that you are the song that the morning brings
But the heart has its seasons, its evenings and songs of its own"

Lines 1 and 3 seem to be filled with "grace," however once the human, being human, enters the picture, everything turns ("But"):
Lines 2 & 4 seem to be more in line with this experience of being human ..here, now, in time, in this space ...and we humans have the uncanny ability to screw up everything ..including grace. [It is not necessarily apparent in this example, however the use of the word, "But," here seems to hold a prominent position in the chorus ...arguably the lyrics heart.)

In the end, however, when it all rolls into One, I could not possibly have stated it any better than you: "As usual, Hunter's writings always appear to be just ambiguous enough to warrant further investigation, and one never seems to arrive at a concrete and or linear understanding of the overall song. Just a vibe." == Thank you for that; it is perfect ....and full of grace.

--- AshesRising

[PS: for what it's worth: this place isn't the same when you're not around.]

Ripple
Let it be known there is a fountain
That was not made by the hands of man
[by Robert Hunter,@1968-2007]

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Sep 27, 2007 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'grace'' in Hunter tunes

Ashes: Great thread...we should have more. I understand your reference point regarding "Eyes." That the state of grace can only be had away from human shortcomings. In eyes, as you have it, the only thing preventing a true state of grace is the shortcomings or human anchors that keep us tied to the world as we know it. The things we hold dear to our heart keep us grounded, and unless we shed that cumbersome baggage, we cannot assume a true state of grace.

This line of thought takes it up a notch from the bestowed state of grace, or in Christian thought, God's salvation. The Eyes scenario is very Carlos Castaneda, where you must disavow your human conceptions to accept complete grace and the true spirituality that lies on the other side of our learned reality. The concept is certainly not beyond the kind of philosophical stuff that was swirling around at the time the song was written.

I still subscribe to a lot of the thought that came out of Castaneda's writings, even though I need a refresher course. The one thing that I believe strongly, and it does apply here is that there was a huge underlying current of Christian and Catholic dogma that had been traditionalized throughout Indian culture since the Spaniards had visited. Here, the meanings of such an etherial term such as grace could be of a Christian nature as well as from the occult.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Sep 27, 2007 1:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'grace'' in Hunter tunes

Earl: Thank you for your articulate responses. I am going to put on the brakes here; the Forum is not structured for this style of discourse. Besides, you're way above me on these matters! Thank you.

--- AshesRising

Return to Terrapin
Up these steps beside me climb
To Terrapin and points sublime
Robbed of reason, faith and name
Broken-hearted blind and lame

Slain by doubt, mistaken trust
Abandoned in the rain to rust
Shriveled by the heat of day
Torn to shreds by birds of prey

Shapeless in the fire's glow
Tell me if you think you know
Who it was we were below
Where we've been and where we go

Lilies have the bees to tend them
Grasses have the breeze to bend them
Broken hearts have tears to mend them
Show us stairs, we will ascend them

Stair by stair by stair we climb
Voices hushed to sighs by time
Speak our souls in pantomime
Clear cold bells of winter chime

Pale through this ghostly haze
The dawn of a newborn moon
Illuminates this ancient maze
Of tumbled stones rough hewn

Trust your faith and enter
By paths the heart divines
The sun lies at the center
Through gates of creeping vines

how faint the rays
of former days
in avenues of time--
but it does shine
emblem of sight
pride of the eyes
that shatters shadow
and all of the dark defies

Let the sun rise!
[by Robert Hunter, @1968-2007]
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This post was modified by AshesRising on 2007-09-27 20:20:17

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Poster: ganges Date: Sep 27, 2007 10:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'grace'' in Hunter tunes

Thanks for this post, Ashes, as you know I don't get everything, so I'll have to reread what has been said in the thread and, of course, Hunter's words. But I got some ...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 27, 2007 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'grace'' in Hunter tunes

"As usual, Hunter's writings always appear to be just ambiguous enough to warrant further investigation, and one never seems to arrive at a concrete and or linear understanding of the overall song. Just a vibe."

Well said, Earl!

Good post, Ashes...

Too much to add, so will let it be for now.

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Poster: northstar dead Date: Sep 27, 2007 9:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'grace'' in Hunter tunes

Must have been subliminally planted in my mind, hence the Grace middle name of 9 year old daughter Sierra Grace.

Nice post

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Sep 27, 2007 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'grace'' in Hunter tunes

"Sophia Grace" here in AshLand ..same amount of letters as "Sierra" ...I'm glad you like the post.

--- AshesRising

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Poster: Stealz Date: Sep 27, 2007 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'grace'' in Hunter tunes


Youth, Day, Old Age and Night


Youth, large, lusty, loving-youth full of grace, force, fascination,
Do you know that Old Age may come after you with equal grace,
force, fascination?

Day full-blown and splendid-day of the immense sun, action,
ambition, laughter,
The Night follows close with millions of suns, and sleep and
restoring darkness.




by: Walt Whitman

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Sep 28, 2007 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'grace'' in Hunter tunes

I've always thought that the lightning bolt in the Stealie logo is grace -- that (perhaps lysergically inspired) flash of ego-free wisdom that melts one's face/identity/ego.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Sep 28, 2007 8:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'grace'' in Hunter tunes

Dhamma1: Hello. I do not recall seeing your name on this part of Desolation Row. You just blew my mind at approx. midnight on a Friday night. I cannot possibly thank you enough.

--- AshesRising [Jerri1031-dp3 AT yahoo DOT com]